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Post by _midnight_ on Feb 19, 2008 15:19:58 GMT -5
Dear members,
I have little time due to school, and i shall keep it brief. Pyro and i have discussed the link between the gang itself and the seperate site with his roleplays.
A clickable link shall be put up in the gang to his site, and the other way around. Yet we are not sure how to call the link between those two sites.
We have mostly discussed the name 'subsite', whether if it is fully acceptable to use the word in this context. So we would like to ask you what you think of this name, and how you would call the link between these two sites.
thanks a lot,
The admins.
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Post by Dane on Feb 19, 2008 20:08:01 GMT -5
You see although the original basis for my idea was a "subsite" it seems we have had different opnions on what a subsite is...
My site is linked with the RPGang, it follows some of the same rules and same basics. However it has its own extra rules and the other admins, don't have admin power there.
I understand a subsite as: Linked with site, being created from its original context. Following some of the basic rules and ideas and being run by some or at least one of the admins of the original site. Sharing all the members, main site has.
Mid believes it as: Needing all admins who run the original site to run subsite and having majority of old sites rules.
Anyway our main concern is that when members see my site link, whatever the label is. It musn't be misleading...so our opinions are what matter. We need to know what you consider a subsite is or what you consider my site is? What should we label it so plp know what to expect when they click it or consider joining it.
So please if your part of my site or even have just seen it, please tell us your opnion. What do you consider a subsite or what do you think my site should be labeled as, as it more than a simple affiliate, as all my members should be members of the RPGang first.
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Post by Xero on Feb 20, 2008 10:23:02 GMT -5
Unfortunatly, Mid, I actually agree with Pryo on this. I know it is rare. But the basic term of "Subsite" is usually used as sort of an"overflow" site. Not everyone has to be apart of it, nor does ever admin or mod on the main site have to have power.
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Post by SheWulph on Feb 20, 2008 10:53:17 GMT -5
*shakes head*
It can not be called a subsite. A subsite is defined as having the same admin structure, same content and is only there to take the load off the main site and normally the subsite's registration is directly links to the main site. Both the main site and the subsite are about the exact same thing. Which isn't the case here, RPGang is about you can create any rp you want where pyro's site doesn't give you that freedom and it only has his rps.
There are too many differences between the two sites to be called a subsite. And the listing site will kill you over it if you call it a subsite.
The other term sister-site won't work either. A sister site if about something else, like in most rp cases the one site many be of wolves the other (the sister site) of horses. But a sister site is run by the same main admin. So that term is also out.
I really can't see it more than an affiliate. And one rule like you have to be a member of A to join site B, doesn't make it more then an affiliate, and frankly I'm not seeing that rule being enforces currently on pyro's site.
My site is an affiliate and I am admin here. I do not draw extra attention to it and it wouldn't feel right to call it a subsite.
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Post by SolsticeWolf on Feb 20, 2008 12:43:43 GMT -5
I agree with Shewulph a site that is separate from RPGang, should only be considered an affiliate. In my personal opinion once in RP grows and the creator makes a stand alone site for, it there fore it really isn't part of RPGang anymore it is own site and only should qualify for affiliate status not a sub-site.
I would expect this for my RPs if they grew enough that a new site was warranted and only have the site be a affiliate,
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Post by Dane on Feb 20, 2008 15:55:36 GMT -5
Cool.
Um to those who suggest, if you disagree with subsite, please suggest with idea or name you might prefer, our goal is to find what to name this.
Liked to also get a few views from those who are part of my site, since they know my site first hand. I'll try see if Vash gets on.
To She: I can't really enforce that rule, since no one new has joined. Unfortunately since the RPGang was currently down, the rule had to be omitted so those who joined during that time got to join free of access so to speak, but the rule is up so if I do get any new members who offer to join will have to follow the rule and be a part of the RPGang but thanks for rubbing it in I have no new members either.
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Post by SheWulph on Feb 20, 2008 16:44:34 GMT -5
Currently? It looks like we are up and running. The gang was down for a time yes. But I am not referring to when the site was down. I am referring to your current members. As you say you will get new members to join this site, but that is not my issue, my issue is that some of your current members hasn't join the site and we have been up a few good months so the site being down isn't much of an excuse.
I do not see the relevance in the fact that we have to get the opinions of your members specifically. That would be called biasing, because they will tent to favor your opinion in order not to get banned from your site. Thus the question was asked of all members of RPGang and so they all should be teated as equal. We do not work on the principle of Everyone is equal but some are more equal then others (if you do not know what I am talking about go read the book Animal Farm.)
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Post by Dane on Feb 20, 2008 17:16:18 GMT -5
First off read it already, secondly it ain't biasing asking for the opnion of those on my site simply coz they have first hand exp and they have yet to post. Of coarse everyone is equal and should get to post, including them.
You shouldn't be bias, secondly afraid of banning them coz they give unfavourable opinion? I don't know about you, but I ain't that shallow and my members know that too, besides there is no unfavourable opnion in this case for me. I don't really care what the label on my site is, the link will still be there for anyone to try.
Me and Mid's main concern is the member knows what to expect if they choose to click the link.
As for those who are already part of my site, as I said they got omitted from the rule and even tho the RPGang is now up and running. I didn't feel it right to enforce the rule after their joining, since they already joined and were told of the omittion(sp?).
Although I understand where your coming from, it just felt unfair to just command some who especially already have been apart of my rp for some time to join, if they didn't want to. So in the case of while the RP was down, and they were old members I let it go in that exceptional case.
Besides the main point of sharing members is to make sure plp know about this site first, the majority were old members already knew about RPGang and were part of it, so although normally I don't mind forcing new members tof first join the RPGang. I didn't feel right to force old members who had already worked hard on their chars in my rp if they don't want to join RPGang. Hopefully those who have not yet rejoined, will. I have told of them of the RPGang and it link, maybe they just have yet to join. Hopefully with this link up, they will all join the RPGang.
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Post by SheWulph on Feb 21, 2008 2:19:36 GMT -5
Pyro you do tent to yell at people and allot. People are afraid of you that is common knowledge. And fear can lead to them being biased and that is where I am coming from. Everyone is naturally biased, that is just the law of the land, but as you stated it you view their opinions higher then the others of this site. First hand experience or not, I can gain the exact same experience by lurking on your site. That is the main thing every decent roleplayer does before joining a site, they scope out the rules and the roleplays to see how it is like and can form a pretty good picture of the site. And I do not see why first hand experience is needed, we are discussing the name of the link between sites. If I were to get opinions it would have been from someone that isn't a member of either sites, because the link works on first impressions not on people that are already a member of either of the sites.
And to prove you even more wrong, we officially opened on the 29th Des and you were well aware of that. You have two members that joined after that date. Aster joined your site 6 Jan and Kayleena joined 18 Jan. I do not see them on the this site do you. Now you say you only omitted the rule because the site was down, which wasn't the case with those two. So I do not see your point. The fact of the matter remains you want to use that rule to get special privileges from the gang other then being called an affiliate and you can not even enforce it.
There is no common ground between the two sites. Drakos did point out the fact that if an rp grows large enough to make its own site it will be an affiliate not a sub site. Wasn't that your original motive for moving your rps, wasn't it because you felt like your ideas for your rps were too big for the gang.
I do have a question for you, where do you want to display this link on this site? Because that will also have an influence in what it should or should not be called.
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Post by Dane on Feb 21, 2008 14:51:50 GMT -5
Where does it say more important there, I just said important. As in I want their opnions aswell as everyone elses. I mention theres specifically coz none of them have posted yet.
As for Aster and Kayleena, there are personal reasons concerning why I still had yet to enforce that rule which I have discussed with Mid and sorted out.
As for displaying the link, um not sure. I guess same place I put the link to RPGang on my site, I guess maybe round the top, belwo banner so on my site the people see RPGang link first.
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Post by CEPHEUS ! on Feb 21, 2008 16:53:26 GMT -5
-shudders- I hate that book so very, very, very much... ><
Right-o, back on topic: To be perfectly honest, I'm going to agree with She on this--and not because we're buddies or anything.
Sub-sites, by my definition at least, are overflow sites (where the site either wanted to go in a different direction, but it could not effectively fit into the plot--i.e., if I wanted to put a DH-War-era DL but not transfer the whole site into that period, I might make a history site--or a site for the fact that they need more space). Seeing as the RPGang really can't have one of those (because the whole idea of it is to create a rather all-encompassing site, isn't it? From what I've seen, the site was made to allow free creativity by allowing anything and everything, and encouraging one to do so, as well...), I don't think that the term 'sub-site' is particularly accurate.
Sister sites, like She said, are pretty well out of the question. Sister sites are run by the same admin (or some of the staff) and have some relating quality--because your site is focused only on three or four sites, Pyro, I'm not seeing that one working, either.
Affiliates would be a little difficult, too, considering that, the last time I checked, Pyro didn't have an 88x31 affiliate button. I'm obviously not the best one to ask on that topic, seeing as I haven't gone there in forever (caught up elsewhere), but...
Well, IMO, I think that the sites could be regarded as 'related', not really sister sites... more like niece or nephew sites ( )? Maybe just a link, down near the affiliates, saying something like 'Related Site: [insert link]' would suffice? 'Least that's what I'd do... ^^;;
Ah, heh, not to tread on toes, but I think that I've gotten a few first-hand accounts of that... ^^;; Perhaps it's simply because our opinions are so different, but I do seem to be on the receiving end of some of those tirades.
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Post by Dane on Feb 22, 2008 9:16:55 GMT -5
Thanks Ceph
Um I also definitely agree on the sister-site, never even an option. I see what your saying, this site is more of an all encompassing site and subsites are spillovers to like related rp, but different setting.
Thats why I thought mine might classify as subsite, its the idea of running many rps, but not bring the whole rpgang into a specifically run rp area, but almost a spill over to a site with specific rps from the selected any type rps.
But I see what your saying, we may not find the exact accurate one, so we will have to choose best fitting or one people would prefer the most.
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Post by Nick on Feb 24, 2008 12:40:20 GMT -5
I'm gonna agree with Ceph and the others. Pyro, your site is not a subsite or a sister site of this one. Now "affiliate"...that's a great term.
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Post by Xero on Feb 24, 2008 21:02:50 GMT -5
Wow, after my thoughts were completely trashed I think I will just stay quiet. Although do not think that I fear anyone. I don't do fear.
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Post by Vash on Feb 25, 2008 15:09:23 GMT -5
hm simple suggestion, why not just called the link a Branch Link and Pyro site and Branch site, cause it seems the site is a different site, but its just another place of the RPgang, aka a Branch of the RP gang.
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